Speaker 1: 0:00

What's up everybody. Welcome to Decentralenz, your weekly crypto news podcast. Distilled and Chilled. I am Blue Toshi, and with me is the other host, disco. Wow. Hello everybody. Arsic goes, brr, runedev and RuneCoin are back with a vengeance and things are flying in that ecosystem. That and more. This is an exciting show.

Speaker 2: 0:24

This is Decentral, decentral lens, distilling the crypto news.

Speaker 1: 0:28

You need to know and why so disco a lot going on this week. Uh, never a dull moment. We've been so focused on politics and macro and all the upstream things that make our ecosystem that are affecting it, with the big Wall Street whales and stuff. But RuneCoin and RuneDev have come out of hibernation and R6 is going brr and it's making a nice run, just going over 100 million evaluation after dipping as low as I don't know what it got down to, but it might have even been like 30, 30 million.

Speaker 2: 1:08

Yeah, right around there and yeah, it's just reinvigorated and you just had a bunch of people you know we were kind of talking. We didn't hit it a bunch in the last couple of weeks because it was like what are we going to talk about speculation? So actually hearing from the team and seeing this all happen is it's definitely been a big kick for this week.

Speaker 1: 1:25

Yeah, I mean so many spaces, good things, and Poly are hosting spaces Sunday nights. Now it's Thursday nights, but it just it's almost revitalized the entire Runes ecosystem. And I got to say the thing I love most about about, uh, especially rune dev is just how it's all about. Uh, what's good for us is good for all runes and what's really good for all runes is the most important thing. And you know he's always um practiced what or she, what, what.

Speaker 1: 1:58

Uh, they preached uh in helping uh others like decentralized and so many other uh groups uh get into it. So you know it's good to, it's good to see those guys back and it's good it's. It's almost like a little after four months, maybe five months now, four months from the having like it, it feels like a little reunion. And I got to say there's a lot of uh old and familiar faces that we're seeing on the timeline and and in these new DMS. But uh, there's also a whole new group of people who may have been there the whole time and I just didn't know it, but uh, it's, it's an exciting time for runes. I still think runes has a long way to go, but uh, it's cool to see the, the are sick folks all galvanize.

Speaker 2: 2:41

Yeah, it's as I say it was. It's kind of pent up. It's kind of like you had a crew and then it's like where'd my crew go, you know? And then everything's shifted, so macro for the last. You know, almost like right after the happening it really kind of kicked into full gear and you know we're trying to cover all the, all the biggest stories and everything. So we all kind of put our attention that way, which is probably a blessing when you really think about it, because obviously it needed time to develop and to cook and get going, which is we're starting to see signs that it has been cooking. You know you're not hearing rug talk anymore, which was kind of what you were hearing. You know more despair in the last couple of months.

Speaker 2: 3:14

So it's it's great to see everybody kind of vibing and being in a positive space with it.

Speaker 2: 3:18

And I agree one thing that you can go all the way back through all the tweets and all the messaging and all that. And you know it's always been high road from from, from RuneDev, for sure, and it's always been about, you know, we're working on building this, this entire, you know, system in the space and everything like that, as opposed to you know, I'm the guy or this is the team and it's this or nothing. So it's a very unifying message and it really I think it landed well, because I think people were sitting there like we had so much conviction and so much, you know, hope and aspiration, you know, right around the having of, of, you know everything changing and this just you know plug and play and having a huge impact, and then it kind of, you know, was a little bit muted. So seeing it really come full circle and have you know this next leg, it really gets you excited and it makes you, it makes you happy and proud that you held frankly and that you, you know, remain committed and you didn't freaking jump ship.

Speaker 1: 4:05

Yeah, absolutely, and we still don't know exactly what you're building. But let's talk about what we do know. We know that, um, that they talk about liquidity a lot, right? So coin and rude dev have been talking about liquidity. If you, if you have a marketplace, um, and you don't have liquidity, then you've really got nothing right. They did a huge partnership with Memeland, which is one of the most it's pretty iconic and really to share some of those room coin, and to get that whole community involved and really expand that community. But I think there's way more than meets the eye.

Speaker 2: 4:46

I love this post, Like you know, it just makes me feel bullish again.

Speaker 1: 4:50

Bitcoin, uh is BTC, ethereum, uh is ETH Solana Sol, and runes, uh is room coin, right. So they're definitely kind, definitely kind, of coming back and laying claim. And you know, we've had to watch the dog pumps and I have no problem with dog. I still have, uh, I still have a runestone somewhere and I still have, um, some, some dog go to the moon. But it's not as interesting to me as this, because I feel like you know a lot of people out there are still calling it Ponzi. It's like talk is cheap, but I don't know. We saw the same thing before the halving, when RuneDev and RuneCoin just were off the map. They weren't communicating at all and they were working on a lot of the tech to get the scuff going. And once they were done, they came up for air, so one can only speculate at this point. Were done, they came up for air, so one can only speculate at this point. But I think they came up for air and I think they're now excited to talk about things.

Speaker 2: 5:52

And what was cool about it was, you know, you had the having everything and what they did was they basically, you know, started answering calls for other people that needed help to do some of the technical stuff that they pulled off, and you know. So they really kind of took a step to kind of help. You know this whole theme of helping the overall community development, you know. So they were helping other projects, you know, and kind of giving them, you know, the keys to the playbook of what they already figured out. So, as I say, it's a consistent thread. Obviously, you'd love the book to be really short and quick, and everyone you know moon and all that happened overnight, but nothing happens that quickly when you really zoom back and look at life. So give them a little bit of time.

Speaker 2: 6:30

I think it was really well-timed. Obviously, you know we're into August, so it's the 08 month and everything like that. So there was speculation that that might be, you know, kind of a time for them to pop out, based on the, on the number that they had before. So it all kind of adds up and it just gets you back excited about the things that they did. That I thought was so magical. Was they really created like this essence of being part of something and it being bringing everyone together, unifying, and then being like play the game and follow along and kind of get with the rules and and they encourage the speculation and that sort of stuff. So I thought that that was pretty cool. I love the simplicity yet the power really of being like Bitcoin, btc, you know da, da, da and then doing you know RSIK for runes. Like that's kind of just claiming like dude, we're going to be around for this. So if you believe in the potential of the ecosystem.

Speaker 1: 7:22

You should be excited if you held through yeah, absolutely, and let's take a's. Take a look at that one, cause that one's important to see too. So, bullish Bitcoin, btc, bullish Ethereum, eth, both Solana Sol, bullish runes room coins so you know a lot of these. A lot of the community is coming back. Everyone's, everyone's galvanizing again. Obviously, billy's going to put those glasses everywhere and you'll love to see it.

Speaker 1: 7:42

I got to say I'm definitely a fan of Billy and um, our sick is also um, that they've updated their discord, which was kind of like low fi even before the having, and, uh, now they're having more whale chats. I guess to be a whale rune coin holder, you got to hold 42 million rune coins. So, uh, blutoshi and GMI. On that one, I'm just uh, just a little short, but that's okay. Uh, I never sold. I know you didn't either. Um, you know you and I are not the type to. We're not mega posters on the X timeline. We're not always chilling the stuff, you know. Obviously, we did a ton of spaces before the having, um, with scribe and with Damon behind the curtain and really exploring in the curiosity behind this, and the curiosity never faded. You and I just um. You know we got in the podcast and we really wanted to um see how far we could take video on x and and on other channels and really make make this studio. But you know, I while I don't need to pipe it all the time, it's it's we're still here and uh, now that they're communicating, it's like we're we're here for it and I'm excited to learn about what they're doing.

Speaker 1: 9:00

One interesting post by uh rune dev was um, and it might have even been a comment, but he was talking about OPcat. So my suspicions and many. I was not the originator of the idea, but I think, with OPcat kind of having more Ethereum-like smart contract properties being integrated into Bitcoin and a soft fork Some people are saying it's coming sooner than you think. I suspect there's been a lot of testing on this soft fork and on OPCAT to create this liquidity. So I don't know if that means they created DEX or if they're going to solve the problem of, you know, not having to buy uh runes just in these massive, yeah, and these bulk buckets. It's just uh, you know, let's see what the price is right now. Like so there's there's a lot of problems to solve, whether it's a decks, uh, so there are 14%.

Speaker 1: 10:02

Today they're at 104 million. Dog of the moon still still at 300 million. You know, it would be an interesting prediction to make, feehoo, even though this has said it's been over a billion. It's not because they only gave away 1% of the supply. So I ignore Feehoo, but this is a pretty bold call. But I could see Arsic at the end of the day being the first billion dollar uh room.

Speaker 1: 10:28

I think I think they could be dog go to the moon and if they don't, a dog go to the moon wins. I'd be fine with that and I'm sure people would love to record this and have me eat my words. But if you do that's fine. This is more press for me. I don't care. But, uh, I, I don't know. I just I have this gut that, um, if our sick is building something, which I think they are and they've alluded to and I think it's a goaded OG team, I think I think some of the most OG people in the space uh are are involved. That's my, that's my gut and intuition. I think, uh, if, if it is revealed what happens, maybe it'll take OP cap, maybe not, but I think if it is revealed what happens, maybe it'll take OP cap, maybe not, but I think it could be the first to a billion, which would obviously be super cool, and I could be totally wrong, but there's the guess of the day.

Speaker 2: 11:18

One thing I'll say, though and just in looking at this again and kind of getting back into that frequency is, looking at this again and kind of getting you know, doing back into that frequency is, you know, I'm a, I come from a branding background and I just think that you know everything from, and I'll just say, logo, but just how they have the R slightly turned off and playing off Bitcoin, like I just think it's a clean look and I think it's a clean story.

Speaker 2: 11:39

And when you look at those sorts of elements and you look at, you know what has the capacity to really break through and be a leader. You know, in that, in that kind of subset of the space, like they certainly have those sorts of things buttoned up and lined up. So it seems very strategic. It's very fun to get back on the bull horse for that and you kind of see all the new engagement and things from that perspective. But if you really just looked at the track record, like it'd be kind of hard to find a lot of a lot of fumbles or anything or anything that was cringe, like they kind of always had a decent standard all the way through. So that gets me really excited for a blue chip perspective. Yeah, absolutely absolutely so.

Speaker 1: 12:12

Uh, it's good to see them back. Uh, who knows what's going to happen. But again, here for it. And I think the net net is just that, that runes it.

Speaker 1: 12:21

Obviously the anticipation with prunes, uh, or the pre-runes or the inscriptions before the having was, it was. It was probably, you know, because you and I were just getting into the show, the bull market came and then that was such a, it was the hot topic everywhere and it was so cool. But then afterwards, you know, with the 13 letter runes and with the technology being having to buy kind of in these big bulk baskets, depending on how people broke them up, because what people do is they'll just put a bunch of these things. If you want to kind of tank the price of something, you put a big block on the floor. So you know someone might buy it if it's just too tantalizing. But you know you could have a $12,000, you know 0.2 Bitcoin amount, a million or so or a million five, on the floor and it could stick there and it can kind of weight the floor down.

Speaker 1: 13:10

But I think Runes, the goal of RSIC and really the goal of Runes, and I suspect even with Casey and Raf, is Casey did inscriptions? Because he did not. He thought Ethereum was not a secure, great way to store your art, and I think he's right. And I've migrated a hundred percent over to Bitcoin for my digital art because everything's on chain and I think with runes we've only seen the beginning. You know, we're still counting down member from 13,. Um, letters to. I think we're at 12 now, but we're going to go all the way to one by the next, halving right. So it's just a slow release pill and I think the ecosystem's only going to get better and better and it seems like they're kind of positioning maroons as the next. You know why have Ethereum ERC20 tokens? Why even be on the Ethereum chain when you can have the quote, unquote ERC20 equivalent on Bitcoin, which, if Runes keeps evolving and the technology is where you can buy in and out of individual coins by any amount you want, then why not make it the Runes ecosystem?

Speaker 2: 14:25

Which is I don't know if this fits 100%, but it gets me then thinking about where does Ethereum fit? Because I was part of that kind of evolutional process of being like, hey, where's this stuff really stored? Oh, ordinals are actually here and this is what's going on there. And then just seeing the continued activity on Solana, it's like how's this all going to fit together? Where's Ethereum's place in that kind of different setting?

Speaker 2: 14:52

Now, Solana wasn't to the point where it was when we started thinking about this, however, many months ago, but that's definitely gotten to the point where they're doing a lot of transactions and things like that. So then, if you see this next wave potentially come in of a, not a 2.0, but just of like, hey, dude, this is, you know, all on chain and we can figure this out, Then where does that leave some of this other stuff? And you know there's always going to be space for everybody, right, Like that's. I don't think it's VHS, you know beta, necessarily. But you look at what really you know takes over the, the mind share and everything, and I can see just this little, this little toe in the water from from our sick getting everyone pumped again. It's like, okay, there's a lot of pent up demand for this to go, so definitely, definitely a fun thing to get back into, for sure.

Speaker 1: 15:36

Absolutely, absolutely. So. So much to cover today, but again wanted to start with our sick cause. It's such a um, it's, it's near dear, uh to us, um. So let's go back up to the um, let's go back to macro and let's go to adoption. Um, I really like.

Speaker 1: 15:58

This morning we found out, or yesterday, that Goldman Sachs, every quarter, these big companies have to release and tell you what's on their books and stuff like that. Well, goldman Sachs has half a billion of Bitcoin ETFs on their balance sheet. Remember, goldman Sachs has been in the camp of not quite as bad as our Chase CEO, Jamie Dimon, our chase CEO, jamie diamond, but they've been. They've been pretty negative crypto and they've been very wishy-washy. I would say not all negative, but you know they have half a billion on the books now and to them, honestly, that's like that's like nothing, that's like dipping the toe in the water ago.

Speaker 1: 16:38

But Putin, russia, has approved mining for people. You have to register, but if you're under a certain amount. Since 2014, russia has been obviously looking for ways to be able to do global transactions, not in the US dollar, since a lot of what they're doing is entirely blocked. So, again, we talked last week or a couple of weeks ago Disco Michigan, wisconsin, pensions New Jersey. So I'm almost going to have a section on this show like inevitable adoption and you know, I guess I could keep almost just layering the cake on top of what was already there. These are kind of the newest new ones, but it's just the adoptions happening everywhere.

Speaker 2: 17:40

Yeah, wisconsin re upped. I think the report came out. I think it was today that they re-upped, so they're not walking away from it. And it all kind of goes back to. We talk about the adoption, we see all these big players. You talk about Goldman putting in half 400 million, whatever it may be.

Speaker 2: 17:55

And still I go back to Saylor's little pie chart and I know it wasn't a pie chart, but his chart of the little piece that Bitcoin represents now and then, off of the super bully case that he had, it still didn't represent like a massive segment. It's just like this can fit that mold and that just gets you super bullish about where things are going to go. His 2045 projections were insanely high but it's not out of line in terms of representing the asset allocation. And when you're having the, what was it? Last week we heard JP Morgan was giving its 15,000 advisors the green light to push the ETF. There's no way that Goldman's not doing this, because they saw what a success the ETF became from that perspective. So now all of them it's like okay, dude, we got to get in and they're having FOMO from that perspective. So FOM them. It's like okay, dude, we got to get in and they're having fomo from that perspective.

Speaker 1: 18:48

So fomo from them is good for us. Well, fomo, and maybe just good business sense, like it just seems to me, like the whole bitcoin adoption, like at some point, the micro strategy, bitcoin treasury strategy, you know double or triple maxi strategy, like it's going to be. It's like it's some standard standard and at some point it's going to be. If you're not doing this, what are you thinking? You know, like your store of value is in a dollar that you know, we know, is probably at some point has to start printing, just because we're in $35 trillion in debt. So we're going to keep an eye on the adoption story. It's only going to increase. And just to clarify, you said at the beginning of the segment, the Wisconsin re-upped. What did they re-up?

Speaker 2: 19:40

I just saw. I got to go a little deeper on it, but I saw that you know how they're getting the releases and the reports coming out that they bought more in the next quarter. So they're continuing the strategy.

Speaker 1: 19:50

Oh nice, it wasn't a one and done.

Speaker 2: 19:52

And then the other only other thing on the adoption I'd say really quick is you know, you look at those companies that are taking Sailor's Playbook, and Marathon Digital is a huge one in terms of you know, the largest mining company, and they just did another 250 million raise to be able to buy more. So they're actively utilizing that as part of their strategic strategy. And then you have also the MetaPlanet in Japan doing the same thing. So that's what I like to see.

Speaker 2: 20:17

When you launch something, or you launch a product or a song or anything, you want to make sure it's sticky enough that people come back. You didn't want it to just be a one-time deal, so when you're having them come back into the turnstile, that's what really gets you excited, because you see that these are recurring plug and play. They're in place and they're not like getting questioned or anything happening. And that's especially last thing, that's especially exciting in light of the recent volatility. So we see that the price went back up to about where it was before any of the madness of the last week happened. You saw that it's resilient and now you're seeing these guys, who are these people, teams that were on the front line of believing in this. Look at it as a strategic asset. You're seeing them re-up and when you see them come back to the table, that's when you know you got a nice dish.

Speaker 1: 21:04

Absolutely, and you brought up something interesting that fits right in here, eric I'm going to get his last name wrong Balchenus of, I think, bloomberg, who follows, obviously, etfs very closely and has a huge following and really understands those Bitcoin ETFs well. He made a comment that if the ETFs didn't happen with their, where are we at 17. Those ETFs have raked in net positive of 17 billion. They've actually brought in, I think, 34 billion, but GBTC is down 17 or 18 billion because it was too expensive to carry it there. It didn't make sense. So we're up 17 billion. He's saying that without that, bitcoin would be at like 30,000.

Speaker 2: 21:49

No, he's saying 20,000.

Speaker 1: 21:51

And I don't know I want to. I'd love to go a little more 20,000.

Speaker 2: 21:55

Like oh let's go down that lane Cause I would love to talk about. Could you imagine just getting like a half, for right now It'd just be nuts. And then you see the other folks, what it's going to take to be Bitcoin rich and all that which you talked about a couple of weeks ago, and it's just incredible. But I think that the theory he had was that it was going to be. It would basically be closer to 20,000 right now. I want to do put pen to paper and kind of figure that out and report back, because to me that seems a little ETF-y like of figure that out and report back, because to me that seems a little ETF-y like a little ETF centric to think that that's what's going on. But these numbers are incredible. So you don't know if we would have seen retail go direct if this was happening from the overall kind of inevitability, or just how much of a kind of ladder up these ETFs really have become.

Speaker 1: 22:42

Yeah, it's hard to say. So your theory is like that feels awfully low Because I don't have enough. I mean, $17 billion is a lot, but I guess one can make the argument if they didn't put it in, maybe others would, or they'd be doing it in different ways.

Speaker 1: 23:01

But I guess the point is it doesn't matter what the number is. There is a point there that it would probably be lower, because you know what were we at, uh, a year ago, like when we first started our podcast? I think we were at like 19 or 20 000, right, so that was like last september. So we're almost at that one year mark and eth was, I think, like 1200, bitcoin was like 1920, 21 000 or whatever. Solana was definitely single digits that was yeah that was like 8 to 12 or somewhere in there.

Speaker 1: 23:35

I should have bought more um and I bought. I bought late, I bought like in the 70s, so I caught. I caught the end of the. I'm like I'm not missing this anymore. And I caught. I caught at least the tail end of it, but I didn't't get in the 8 to 12. I wish I did, but the point is those have gone up a bunch. I wonder.

Speaker 1: 23:51

You know, and I'm sure insiders knew at some point this Bitcoin ETF was like we talked about it a lot last fall that it was inevitable, and the closer we got, the more I was like dude, it's gonna happen, there's, there's no, they have no, the sec has nothing left to block it with. And then that's when the tide really turned to where, where crypto fought back and put gensler on the ropes but I suspect it would be higher than 20 because that means pre-etf it wouldn't have moved at all um. So I I suspected being the 30s or 40s, but I mean, who knows, I guess at this point it why. Why wouldn't the sixth most um valuable uh monetary asset in the world, uh, just passing the british pound?

Speaker 1: 24:38

uh yeah, why wouldn't it be have an etf? So part of it's like who cares, like yeah, it's here. I agree a hundred percent yeah, it should be here, you know, and and.

Speaker 2: 24:52

And I still don't have like. I feel like you have micro strategies and marathons and all these and you have the sovereign. They're all sniffing it and picking it up. I still don't feel like the guy on the street talking about it. You know what I mean. So I still feel like it's like BlackRock buying it and moving it up, as opposed to like my neighbors. I still don't have that kind of question. I don't have people being like hey, do you think I should buy this or that ETF? I thought that I'd be fielding those questions, but it hasn't hit. From that perspective, and I'm waiting for that wave, just because I kind of and I kind of want to not help people, but alert people like hey, this is the opportunity, you know, and we're doing it on the show, but the, the normies aren't, you know, aren't jumping up and down asking about this, so they're not feeling the FOMO, which is interesting to me.

Speaker 1: 25:42

No, and you know what I'll say next, and I say it every week like I think a hundred thousand maybe, maybe new all-time highs like in the eighties, know it goes from five digits to six digits. I think that's when our neighbors, our friends, who we want to help, so bad to be like just DCA in, like some of the guys I golf with and some of the people like I don't talk about when I'm in normie world I don't. Unless it comes up or unless I'm really excited about something, I don't talk about it much. But people like a guy in the golf course is like what was, what was the name of your show? I'm like the central lens. He's like should I get XRP? And I'm like it's not my bag, but you know I could be wrong, so I'm not even going to take a definitive stance like that. Who?

Speaker 2: 26:29

knows.

Speaker 1: 26:29

Maybe Larry Fink's got like the powers that be could. They could even if they use that as the international transmission of money through XRP wires. I've never stood behind it, but it's possible. I don't know what goes on behind those closed doors, but I always just tell people dollar cost averaging. Like you said, I wish I could sit on top of the table at every bar I go to and every time I go out and just be like everybody. You don't have to buy a lot, just buy a little, because you learn. Like look at the state of Wisconsin, like you just said, they re-up to me. That's music to my ears. Because they're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're, we're just getting started and the more you do it, the more people learn about it. Obviously, ngu number go up, technology. Other people who might have been skeptical, like wait, how much do we have in reserves now? Like that makes a huge difference. Like I told you, like if Illinois went all in, which would be almost insane, but we're so insolvent now, what does it matter?

Speaker 1: 27:31

It could literally save the state of Illinois where we're being taxed. Like a lot of these blue states California, new Jersey, connecticut, new York, illinois we're being taxed so badly on our real estate, on everything, because the budgets are so out of whack and so imbalanced and they don't have the money to pay for all the stuff they're doing, so they just keep reaching in. My company is based here, which any other company I set up will never be out of Illinois, so Blutoshi personally will always have to pay Illinois taxes as it passes through personally, but at least the company doesn't get hit with all these other BS taxes, like I mean. It's almost like the shakedown it feels like on Monopoly, like the luxury tax.

Speaker 1: 28:17

Like oh it's like that damn, it's like $75. $75? No, it's like $75. Or a percent right, yeah, and I think it's the higher of the two. So if you have a lot of assets, you can get absolutely screwed. So anyway, there's so much going on there, so go ahead.

Speaker 2: 28:37

Well, really, really, really. Yeah, I'm pumped on this because I saw this and I just wanted to bring it up really quickly. Um, apparently there's now more than a million bitcoin addresses, with a whole bitcoin or more, yep, so that's a good. You know. These data points keep adding up to this inevitability, so I think the inevitability adoption, like we keep seeing more and more elements of that story. And that same piece of research also said that there's 617 million crypto holders worldwide 617 million. Yeah, that I haven't heard.

Speaker 1: 29:12

So I actually was going to include these in and then it looked kind of lame so I just left it out and I knew we'd talk about it, but that's exactly right. Haven't heard. So I actually was going to include these in and then it looked kind of lame so I just left it out and I knew we'd talk about it, but that's exactly right. So a million wallets, one million wallets, have one bitcoin or more, which you know. And let's forget about the price of bitcoin. Now think about the price of bitcoin in you know, 10, 15 years.

Speaker 1: 29:32

What michael saylor says is going to be three or four million dollars, like, uh, my favorite stat is there's like 63 million millionaires in the world and there's only 21 million Bitcoin. So if you just if everybody has a third of a Bitcoin and all millionaires like want to get in you, they could only assuming all the Bitcoin was just free to grab, they could only get a 30. So, again, you can slice this pie any which way till Sunday, taking the corporations out of it, just taking millionaires, and there's triple the amount that there are Bitcoin.

Speaker 1: 30:04

So when I hear a million wallets have one, Bitcoin and 4.5 million wallets have 0.1 Bitcoin, because, remember 0.1 Bitcoin, at some point we're going to go to sats, right, which is 100 billion sats1 Bitcoin, because, remember 0.1 Bitcoin, at some point we're going to go to sats right, which is 100 billion sats per Bitcoin At some point. We're going to have to go there. But even 0.1 Bitcoin, that's 4.5 million wallets. The amount of holders is bigger than we ever thought.

Speaker 2: 30:30

So 0.1 Bitcoin would be, let's know, kind of turns into the de facto equivalency to millionaires, right? So that would assume what a 10 million per coin valuation right or price, and I don't think that's out of line.

Speaker 1: 30:47

I like the way that you think this goes. So when you first got into let's go back. So. So like when we first started talking last summer, just offline, before we did any of this stuff, like like, have you completely taken the orange pill in the last year journey or did you already? Then were like I think it's going to run forever Like if I poisoned your mind with, with, with orange shrooms, or was? Was it already there?

Speaker 2: 31:23

I think I was already drinking the stew that had whatever was included, because I think that it's an individual process. But I, I just I challenge people. Like, if you just start looking at it like the, you build the case. And the case I had, it was very rough I can't lie on that Like it was very rough because I basically moved stuff and went, you know, not all in, but I made a significant decision that you know this would be the horse I'd like to ride forward and see where it goes. And then I did get, you know, my legs cut out from under me and it was very right, you were just at the wrong time.

Speaker 1: 31:59

You, you had FOMO brain, but because you were just getting in and you were learning which, which happens to most people, like, they get in at the top and then they're like, oh my God, this thing is amazing and it's going up, so it's feeding. How smart you were making that decision. But now the few of you who came in in the top, top, like, like, like you said, all your normie friends, most of them, maybe a couple, are asking questions, but most aren't. So you're probably one out of 20, if not less, that actually stuck around to like, see it, go back to where it was, and not just be like I'm not, I missed the boat on this. That's what everyone says. Like they missed it. It's like you haven't missed it yet. This is the slow motion, uh like awesome train.

Speaker 1: 32:46

Ever you're like like the train, you could still like crawl and grab it as it's moving along, like at some point you know it's going to move faster and faster, but you can still get on just DCA and DCA and dollar cost average and just keep stacking sats.

Speaker 2: 33:03

Now that would be an interesting piece or study and I'm not I'm not the most technically competent to figure out how to make it come to life, but it would be fascinating to kind of see the amount of wallets that were created, you know in that kind of last fourth quarter bull run, you know when it was like at the peak, and then see how much activity and who really kind of stayed and added and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 33:24

Because I don't know, to kind of go back to your question a little bit further, I don't know if I necessarily would have stayed and put more in with the conviction if we weren't having the conversations we were having. So if I was just alone in the basement, you know doing it without being part of a community or you know having, you know, a friend who's been in it longer, who's like, who can kind of steady it a little bit, like I don't know for sure. So it's kind of impossible for me to make that projection. But I did go in with conviction and belief and that really has never wavered and we went through all the times where everyone was, you know you had fears that it was just going to get shut down, that could be illegal, you know all that stuff. Like, we had scary days and it's nice to see this. That's why we're kind of doing a little victory lap, just seeing everyone else kind of come around and accept.

Speaker 1: 34:10

Well, and it's not the time for the victory lap, it's. We haven't really, in my opinion, even hit it yet. I love what Peter McCormack says on this. It's like when you're your first generation, you're figuring it out and you might get burned because you came at the top. Your second one, you're in, you're learning, and then it goes up, you're kind of accumulating and then by maybe the end of the second or the third one, you become more independent because you've got more, You've stacked more sats, you've got more crypto and things that you believe in, and you can start to A free up your time with your work or your job to do the things you love and. B maybe even deploy some of that capital like McCormack is doing for his community. No-transcript, absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 35:24

Well, that's a. That's an interesting thought, you know, to go into. Like I'm, you could get really excited to see what good can be done from the efforts of folks that are at those other stages, because we really haven't seen, you know, because you kind of have this same sort of ethos and motivation and you've been doing it on your own, and then once you kind of get to that I don't want to say pinnacle, but once you get to the point where it doesn't really matter, because you've kind of, you know, reaps from that like what do you do? And we could probably see some really cool, you know innovative ways with those sorts of minds working on.

Speaker 2: 35:59

Okay, now that I have this, you know, freedom, what can I do to make the world better? And I don't mean to be you know all you know hippie on it, but I think we'll see some people really turn this into some very positive change and I don't think it would just be like the old school you know hey, I made my money in this Like it'll be fun to kind of see these people make this. You know kind of have that next chapter, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:28

I think there'll be a lot of positive and some negative, like some people could get greedy and hoard more and and you know there could be more I mean there's there's always two sides of it. But yeah, I think freeing up your time to do the things you want and love and deploying that is absolutely one of the most positive bull cases that there is. So let's skip four and go to five, because I think these are tying in and then we'll come back. But this one I thought was interesting Like so kind of getting a little more political policy paradigm is an investment firm that just opened this thing within themselves because it's so important, called Policy Lab, and they did a study of Democrats and Republicans no-transcript, the Orange Party, we Bitcoiners and we crypto folks are going to be fine and we know that, even though Bitcoin doesn't care that we citizens, who store most of our wealth in it, are not going to somehow get unfairly taxed on this stuff. But the good news is this was interesting because this shows you how divided our country is. Shows you, like, how divided our country is, but how divided our country is in. Both sides are afraid of the same thing from the other side, so maybe that's a crazy divide and conquer strategy. But the question that they did a whole study, um, interviewing Democrats and Republicans. This study, I believe, had like 874 Democrats.

Speaker 1: 38:16

I'm just going to focus on this one because in the past it's always been thought like, oh, crypto holders are more Republican, fiscally conservative and all that stuff. But what Troy Cross has proven, and what this is proving, is that's not necessarily the case. So, regardless how I vote in November, I want to make sure that Democrats absolutely are pro-crypto and who gets voted in it all gets bent that way. So this asked Democrats, how concerned are you, if at all, that your family or business might lose access to financial services as a result of your political views? 28% says very concerned, concerned, and what 34 said somewhat. So 62 to 38 said like I'm really concerned. And the next question, which I didn't put up, is like, well, if donald trump was in office, how concerned would you be? And it was 80 percent really concerned and only 20 percent like not that concerned that that their financial institution could just like cut them off because that is an independent. I have that same worry on all sides, like whoever's the banking cartel and who's running this. But I know the Republicans with the Democrats, because that's who's in power right now.

Speaker 1: 39:29

It's not only are they scared of it, I know people in this space who have lost their bank accounts and they had to move it. And we know NLW Nathaniel Whitmore um lost, uh, his banking. I think BOA they're. They're generally the culprits. I know I don't know if Chase does it sometimes I don't hear as many chase, but BOA it seems like, and maybe Wells Fargo seemed to do it more. Um, allegedly don't don't. Um, it just seems like a pattern. But you know, everybody has a right to be concerned.

Speaker 1: 39:59

But what I thought was interesting Disco and this whole thing and the Democrats and the Dems for crypto and all this stuff. Until you prove it, I don't buy it. Because Chokepoint 2.0, we know it existed, we know it was real, even if they didn't use that terminology which I think they coordinated and did that people were losing their bank accounts, companies were being fined insane amounts for breaking laws that aren't. There are no laws, so the SEC was just doing whatever it kind of felt like to kind of keep control. But both sides and independence were all. We want self-sovereignty and we want financial freedom of of storing our hard work into little acorns that are immutable and last forever you know, yeah and that, and that only you have the access to right, like that's the key and it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 41:00

so today you're seeing, you know, the democrats are having their. They started like a harris for crypto uh group and they're doing an event tonight. I'm probably going to try to tune in just to hear it and I just found out earlier today that chuck Schumer is now going to speak at it. So they have a pretty big list of folks. It's like Mark Cuban, folks from Ripple. It's a pretty big reach out and I know that they've tried to do this reset and I know that everybody's very skeptical because then it doesn't seem like all the appointments and strategies line up, with it being very friendly. But they are putting this together tonight.

Speaker 2: 41:38

So I do want to at least see and hear what that is. And they said they're hopeful that, as a consequence, the administration will issue a positive statement in the coming weeks. So we do have the democratic convention starting on Monday. So it would be interesting to see if they made some sort of, you know, addition to their policy and or mention of it. You know, I think some people this is another side story, but I'll hit it really quick Some people were really bummed out that Trump didn't mention crypto on the spaces. He did with Elon and I know that there was a lot of activity on Polymarket.

Speaker 1: 42:13

I was going to say they're bummed he didn't mention crypto because they had money on it in poly, so I know the big winners of that were tampon. There was a couple words that he said, that people and one guy won like a million five I think. Like he got all but like one right and I'm sure that one was like I can't look like I'm friends with with Eric Trump jr, you know, like like getting the inside scoop, like you know. And he did not mention the word he was. It was only him and Elon stage, no other speakers. He did not mention the word Tesla. He just said that your electric car your cars.

Speaker 1: 42:50

Yeah. So it was like a lot of people were like he was told not to say that. No, it's like think about you know I, I know elizabeth warren and some of them want to like they're already talking about like outlawing this betting on elections and and you know there's the it could probably get dangerous because whales could, could kind of change the scales they could cut and just make it seem like, because remember when it was, when it was trump biden um, it was trump I.

Speaker 1: 43:21

I think by the end it was 70 to 28 to, and michelle obama always had two, which I always found, uh, that was kind of fun, yeah. But I mean now this is crazy. But kamala harris is now um, from 70 28 trump to biden. Now that Kamala is in, it's slowly gone up. Now she's predicted to win 53 to 45. Again, it's just a gambling site. Um, on the outcome of elections Um, last I checked there was oh, there's 595 million over half a billion dollars is being bet on this election winner and right now the money is on Kamala Harris by a margin of 8%, which is a pretty significant margin.

Speaker 2: 44:08

Now, yeah, and you're right in that the whales could do it, but then also, I do see the potential danger in someone being really motivated to make their bet win, you know. So that's it's. It's a, it's an. It's a new era in terms of having this real time data on this stuff and people actually betting.

Speaker 1: 44:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:26

A hundred percent.

Speaker 1: 44:28

A hundred percent. Sorry to shut the door, the dog ran out and these headphones are too short, so I have to like stretch as far as I possibly can go and thank you, love you nice and then so.

Speaker 2: 44:47

So I agree like it's really it's easy to I mean it's easy to listen to politicians. They're smooth and you know they're going to say you know what favors them at that moment. So it really does come down to like is there any way we can really get policy commitments in place? So I'm not upset to see you know people working on actively trying to get harris's campaign to commit into really you know, kind of puts forth something instead of it just being, you know, whatever it's going to be yeah, yeah, 100 percent.

Speaker 1: 45:18

Uh, steven miller comes to us, my favorite people and my favorite art curator in the space. If I want to learn anything about art, I always go to steven. We talked the other day. I gotta put this up again.

Speaker 1: 45:29

Steven says um, liz warren just wants to ban election betting because she figures that people are making money. She won't, but uh, I, this is alleged and and I, but I know, when she came into office she did not have. I think her net worth is 70 plus million now, and when she came in, you know, decades ago, her net worth wasn't as much. So it's not, that's not just a problem of her. Obviously, that's a lot of these politicians Like how are they getting so rich?

Speaker 1: 45:59

I saw a stat just go somewhere I think I brought this up a couple weeks ago that you know, silicon Valley, wall Streeters probably had the most millionaires for most of the decades. Then I think it went to Silicon Valley with these IPOs and you know, even like Microsoft and Google, assistance being worth millions and millions and millions. So then it kind of went to Silicon Valley, you know in the nineties, and two thousands, but now the most millionaires, I believe, are in and around DC, which is again like there's. There's creators um which really? Of those three categories, really, the only true creators are arguably the coders and the startups in Silicon Valley. Right, I would say, the least amount of being a creator is politicians and bureaucrats at DC may be necessary, but the fact that more and more millionaires come from within that DC and that whole area is it just shows you how lopsided we're getting and how tax heavy we're getting just all across the board.

Speaker 2: 47:03

Yeah, and speaking of that money, um, and Warren, they just. There's a super PAC that's focused against Warren right now and supporting John Deaton and they just committed another 850,000 to the race and when you look at it, it has the Deaton's had about 1.7 million in his campaign and she's had 6.4, which seems like a big disparity. But when you start looking at how fair shake and some of these organizations get into or getting involved in these races, I don't know, know, I think there's a chance that we could see some, some significant unseating of non-friendly folks and I think that'd be really fun to see.

Speaker 1: 47:43

Oh my god, if she lost that would be so incredible, like we don't have to hear from her anymore. Um, but you know it'd be interesting, as massachusetts it's obviously I I don't know when the last time it was a swing state. I assume not for a long time. So that's, it's definitely an uphill battle in that state. Um, yeah, you know, dare to dream. It's like illinois is is a predominantly blue state, but it's predominantly blue because we have a big city in the north, by lake michigan, that's that's predominantly blue. Uh, but everywhere else is is red.

Speaker 2: 48:16

So the state, you know, unfortunately it's just, uh, this the swing is more, um, so it's interesting I'd like, I'd like, I'd like to quickly say that it's blue, and then there's a team with blue and orange and there's a show on tv that's getting me quite excited for the upcoming season oh, we're talking about the bears, uh, yeah, no, that shows good it's.

Speaker 1: 48:38

Sometimes it could be a little campy and sometimes they focus, like they're focusing on the more cheesy stories, like I like the older ones. When they'd focus they'd give you like five guys who are on the fringe of making it and you get to kind of learn about them, like, like, and it was kind of cool that one guy, uh, he's like he's a good running back, he's like yeah, I'm actually accepted to medical school, but I really want to be a professional football player and I'm like god, I wish, I wish med school could be my fallback.

Speaker 1: 49:03

He's like, yeah, football doesn't work, I'm already in.

Speaker 2: 49:05

So take a floater to make a team.

Speaker 1: 49:06

Yeah, yeah, so pretty cool that guy, but but uh, I can't remember his name. He was that, uh, rb, probably three or four, but he was looking good, um. So here's an interesting one. Um see, if I pull the right one up, uh, and I like this transition from from kind of the politics.

Speaker 2: 49:23

We talked about the money, we talked about our sicko burr, but hamster combat, uh, disco, tell us a little about 200 million yeah, I gotta admit, I gotta admit I must be sleeping on it because it's not in my day to day to check out. You know, hamster combat, the game. But these numbers are starting to become something that you need to pay attention to, because at this point I think they're claiming 200 million users and then, more more importantly probably is, you know, 53 million subscribers on his telegram channel. So that's just let those numbers sink in and like that's we're always talking about, like what's going to be the breakthrough, you know what's going to be the brick breaker or what's going to be, you know whatever. I just dated myself with that one, but you know what's going to be the the iphone moment and all that, and we may be seeing it happening with this game right now. You know people are really jumping in on it.

Speaker 1: 50:18

Yeah, absolutely. And the big takeaway there was they were like screw you VCs, no VC funding. Like and obviously if you have that many users you know, and if it's on telegram, you're probably not paying a whole lot to have to maintain them, but they're probably already grossly profitable. Like it's like an iPhone app that gets deployed to the app store, Like of course you don't need VC backing when it's already money. But but I did like their take Cause it was basically like we're we've we've entertained a lot of VC um proposals and we've turned them all down because VCs all they want is that exit, liquidity and, I think, crypto.

Speaker 1: 50:59

everybody has been coming in. All these VCs have been coming into crypto because when you have this token, the perfect example to me was Yuga and other deeds like A16Z and whatever other companies came in to give. I think it was up to like $600 million. They sold those other deeds. It was by far the worst experience of a mint in gas fees and people losing money and not getting what they wanted left and right, and the VCs just made bank because all those other deeds sold and I think even after the first wave of other deeds like the first hundred thousand there's, there's like 150, 200,000. There's a ton of those things. Like we won't get into Yuga today Cause we've done that in other shows, but good luck with the other side. Like I, I wouldn't if that was a public company. I would uh, I would short it if it hadn't already been overshorted. Like don't, don't see that one happening.

Speaker 2: 52:02

Yeah, that's a good point that you, you know, cause I was all geeked up on, oh, that's great that they're really standing up to you know, and having that ethos against the VC side of it. But you know, you, you definitely point out a better nuance where it's like, well, what do you really need it for if you're already getting traction and it's pretty much scalable from that perspective, they don't need people to, you know, juice it with a bunch of influx of cash because it's already rolling. So kudos to them for that stance. And, you know, I guess it's good to just kind of vocalize that and get that out there into the, into the, you know, the waves for everybody. But I do see, you know kind of the simplicity of once you launch something like that, you don't really need them. So it's, it's a, it's a good call for them to make.

Speaker 1: 52:42

Yeah, absolutely Absolutely. Um, so this one's kind of interesting and I'm I'm intrigued and, uh, you know, I don't know if I could convince a family to go on a trip there, but uh, el Salvador is really doubling down on this Bitcoin city and they were going to use Bitcoin-backed bonds, which was really interesting, and I guess I assume it was some of the technical hurdles they couldn't get it done in time, so instead, I guess some Turkish holding company just basically footed the bill for the whole thing. So you know, go figure, go ahead. Disco.

Speaker 2: 53:24

No, but yeah, it's for 1.6 billion of the commitment.

Speaker 2: 53:27

And again, my range or my scale, like I don't know what 1.6 billion represents in terms of, like, a redevelopment of ports and of a country like, is that a lot, ora, little?

Speaker 2: 53:40

It seems like a lot to me, but maybe not that much if you really look at it as what they're trying to do, which I believe is to really build out you know one kind of defunct port and then update another one and get it really kind of rolling as a, as a hub. And I will say, having been to panama city, you know a couple of times in the past couple of years, like there's a lot of activity there and there's a lot of economics. You know a lot of utilizing the port obviously is different there, but I would be really excited to see, you know, this sort of, you know, country commitment to, to, to kind of this, not necessarily just a currency, but to the ethos and to supporting the development of this technology and culture, and really see how it impacts the day-to-day. And yeah, I think it'd be a really cool place to visit just to try to get a handle on what it feels like boots on the ground down there.

Speaker 1: 54:29

Yeah, absolutely so. Just so a little geography lesson. El Salvador is above Costa Rica. For those who've been there, it's in Central America and I believe it is a little above Panama.

Speaker 1: 54:41

Yeah so it goes Panama going up Costa Rica, then Nicaragua and then El Salvador is kind of like hugging that southern part of kind of in the middle of Central America by Guatemala and Honduras. So you know, it's really interesting how these countries are, you know, and El Salvador obviously was the first one to actually, you know, declare Bitcoin to actually also be a legal tender currency. I have seen grumblings that the IMF I don't know if this is conciliatory or if it's them just continuing to metal, but they're like hey, with all that risk we're trying to figure out stuff with so they're working closely with Bukele and El Salvador to make sure that they're still probably bending the knee to the IMF and the global fiat system. Or maybe maybe they're kind of saying like, all right, we'll let you be an experiment.

Speaker 1: 55:40

Or maybe the, the fiat dollar and the IMF and and the BIS and all these bigger entities, maybe, maybe we can't spread ourselves, we can't, we can't fight everybody and and force everybody to be uh on the dollar, even though people are going away. But I think what you're slowly starting to see happen, which is really smart, is the U? S dollar. Is is kind of like if if you take Bitcoin and replace it with oil. Oil really is the main currency of the world, right, but the U S dollar is the one that everything had to be exchanged in.

Speaker 1: 56:16

That's how you become a global reserve currency, if the peso or another currency was the global transaction for oil, then that probably would be the reserve currency, right? But so you know this raises a lot of interesting questions on kind of where the puck is going with that. But you know El Salvador was was first, I think, with their. I can't remember how many Bitcoin they have. It's not a ton, it's, it's what is a couple thousand, like five, 10,000 Bitcoin, like um there but yeah, they're early.

Speaker 1: 56:57

You know, no-transcript is going to reap rewards, not exponentially, They'll just be higher on that curve. But even if you adapt in probably 10, 15 years, you'll still probably be fine because it will still at some point. Bitcoin's going to be less volatile because more and more people get in and that will probably be like gold, that fallback kind of currency that people need to hold when everything else is is inflating and hyper printing so, yeah, seeing, seeing you know countries, it's just we could keep the adoption header up there almost the whole time because they're all now.

Speaker 2: 58:03

We've tried to weave everything together and the ultimate theme for the past X amount of months seems to really be it's happening in this adoption and now we're showing actual cases and people re-upping. So it's not like whatever that Turkish company is that got involved, like they did due diligence to see what this is going on. So that's another rung of just showing the validity of you know kind of the thesis that we've all you know kind of jumped in on. But you're starting to see it from that state perspective. I think, going back to politics, like I would really call for the Democrats and Harris to really say we're going to look at this as a strategic reserve and have that same you know kind of policy, because that's what at the end of the day?

Speaker 2: 58:47

You look at the strategy and it's like dude, it's sitting right there for you. Why wouldn't you? You have all this gold, you have all this other stuff flip it over, convert it in and make sure you're in place and that you're supporting you know what's going on and ultimately, as you said, for Illinois, but for our country as well. Like let's take care of some of this debt by something that's going up that we're aware of, like it's just so sitting in front of you that I, you know. I think I would like to go down there and check it out just to feel the vibes and and see you know what could be done, because it really could be a blueprint for a lot of different nations moving forward. So I don't know all the ins and outs. I understand that they're helping with the infrastructure, but I'd love to see just how it really plays out, because that's a case study that could be used for many, many different nations across the world.

Speaker 1: 59:30

Well and think about it At some point, as they're building these port cities, we may want to take a flyer, some of us and be like I'll buy some land down there, all you know, and maybe maybe it's a higher risk flyer, but the further it gets developed, the more you're like you know, maybe maybe this is a place to go, and if it's a port city, it's probably beautiful land down there, right, it's obviously warm, it's nice and and and, uh, yeah, so this will be really interesting. Um, I forgot this didn't really make the news, but this one it's kind of a good point to bring it up, based on all what you were saying. Going back to the us marathon uh, this was so smart. Did you see this?

Speaker 1: 1:00:09

they basically, uh, as they're mining bitcoin, they're, they're putting a little uh yeah, a little text to say made in the usa like or minted, maybe minted in the usa or mined in the usa no, I think it's made in the usa, but yeah, following, obviously, what trump said, like all bitcoin needs to be made in the usa or whatever he general thing he said.

Speaker 1: 1:00:29

That was kind of funny. But uh, I love that marathon. Uh is just owning it. You know I own some of their stock disco. I think you do too and there it's flying all over the place with all the the volatility going on, but uh, you know, like I love that's a good call the stamp little things like that, just stamp it made in the USA and and, uh, you know it's probably a little text within the transaction itself, and you know.

Speaker 1: 1:00:55

And then we go right back to ordinals and why it's important to have a mutable stuff on there. But let's keep this stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:01:01

Uh, let's, let's keep it growing, let's keep it deregulated and, uh, you know, or at least in a, in the smartest way to allow us the freedom to keep building and growing.

Speaker 1: 1:01:13

And, uh, you know, allow us to be entrepreneurs and store our wealth in something that is actually going to to, like, meteorically gain value, like what a cool thing that makes incentivize, like incentivization to work and create value, to store it, to know that that thing has its own engine on it is just it's we've never is just it's we've never.

Speaker 1: 1:01:41

I don't know any time in history, maybe when when gold was in short supply or something when deflationary currency, but this is the first time this is really happening and we get to be on the front lines of this, like I know some people are like this is this is a scary time to be alive, but it's, yeah, but it's also probably one of the coolest transitions, uh, in the history of humankind that we're witnessing. Because remember, like this whole baby boomer generation and Elizabeth Warren, all these anti-crypto people and even our generation and our kids generation, like time goes on and new generations come. They don't like a lot of these analog versus digital fights. Those go way over time. Analog versus digital fights. Those go away over time. So we just want to make sure that you know it, it happens in the right way and that we all benefit and that our kids benefit right.

Speaker 2: 1:02:31

Yeah, it's a it's. It's a pleasure to do the show and it's a pleasure to be in the space and it's a pleasure to have exposure, because I just don't know how rounded out, like I don't know if I'd have much of a purpose if I didn't have this to dig into. So I really appreciate that and, as we do this show each week, first of all, if you're enjoying it, like comment, subscribe please. We have the. You know we're available pretty much anywhere you want to look or see us or listen to us. So it's all out there.

Speaker 2: 1:02:58

But it's just such a. There's so much engagement mentally to see this and to see these things start coming to life and to still not see mainstream folks or mainstream media, you know, realize that it's happening. It's like, oh, what more do you need to see? Like look, but I I just I know it's a soliloquy, but I really appreciate being a part of the space and being a part of the show and we do the show for entertainment purposes. It's not to be considered financial advice, so make sure that you protect yourself and do your own research and everything. But I'm really excited to continue the conversation next week as well.

Speaker 1: 1:03:31

Yep, me as well. So tell your friends like us on YouTube and Spotify, leave comments and you know, you know how the algorithms work, just like engage with it, retweet it, show your friends on on the X and all that fun stuff. So until next week, everybody, uh, take care.